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Post by Kaedrin on Mar 3, 2009 19:15:50 GMT -5
I found this in another thread: Natural AC Amulet +5 Headband of Intellect +6 Cloak of Fortification +5 Bracers of Dexterity +10 (two stat increase runes here) Clothing +5 Sun Soul Boots +5 (UMD to use these) Astral Rodent Charm Ring HP +3 (why not?) Troll Skin Belt (UMD to use this - he is not evil) Dark Steel Rapier +2 with 1d6 Acid, 1d6 Cold, and 1 Electrical And I was wondering what the equivalent setup would be for a cleric/stormlord using a spear and shield. What options are there for +Cha and +Wis? What other bracers are typical (assuming the character cares nothing about dex).
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Post by cosper123 on Mar 3, 2009 19:48:54 GMT -5
The same, cept Str belt instead of Troll skin belt. (I wouldn't give up the str belt for troll belt on any char cept perhaps a mage).
If you need the Cha then the Cha cloak instead of cloak of fort, and then wear ring of protection.
The only other bracers I have found that are useful are the +ac ones but they don't stack with ring of prot or cloak of fort....can't really think of anything useful for stormlord here. Best to just wear dex for whatever bonus it'll give ya with mithral plate.
The duskwood makes about the best spear you could hope for, since it adds the magical damage.
Can't think of anything else, but perhaps something fancy that drops from the random loot generator. (for example, bought a +4 Wis spear off beldar)
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Post by Beldar on Mar 3, 2009 20:06:12 GMT -5
With the arc the str belt only adds 2. The regen is convenient for a character like Hayden (the excerpt Kaedrin found was his gear). My low wisdom battle clerics typically use the following gear:
Mithral Plate +5 (not a dexer so this is the best armor) WIS Ammy +6 (need this to get access to lvl 9 spells costs 5 natural ac which can be partially recovered using barkskin potion) DEX Gloves +6 (bump that dex up for the full ac bonus on the mithral plate) Fort Cloak +5 (sometimes substitute a CHA cloak +8 or +12 (which lowers str belt to +6) and prot +5 ring) Boots of Hardiness +4 (usually don't have UMD to use Sun Soul) STR Belt +10
weapon and shield configurations vary: sometimes a 1 hander (or a monkey gripped 2 hander) +2 and a Tower shield +3 (I tend to be AC focused) sometimes a 2 hander +3
I don't think I am forgetting anything. With GMW and Magical Vestment I sometimes move the armor and weapon bonuses around. Usually, I keep them on the armor because you don't want to be dispelled and lose AC (hurts to lose more than AB).
I think it is Zalantar that adds magic to spears not duskwood btw.
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Post by Kaedrin on Mar 3, 2009 20:09:14 GMT -5
I was goofing around with a cleric/stormlord build, hit about 58 AC with the gear not counting expertise. Still more likely to try a melee bard though.
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Post by Beldar on Mar 3, 2009 20:11:46 GMT -5
Did you do it with the equipment here? My stormlord's AC kind of sucks. She relies on the fact that she does 100+ damage per blow (less against dr) to survive.
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Post by Kaedrin on Mar 3, 2009 20:29:44 GMT -5
Base 10 Armor 8 +5 (Magic Vestment) Shield 4 +5 +5 (Tower + Magic Vestment + Shield of Warding) Natural AC +5 (Amulet) Defl AC +5 (Shield of Faith) Dodge AC +5 (UMD Boots) Haste +1 Dex +2 Armor Skin +1 LoH +1 Dodge +1
Time/War domain. Might go Strength and lose Haste to persist divine power.
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Post by nicethugbert on Mar 3, 2009 20:36:32 GMT -5
I would say that a cleric would want the same gear as a fighter, especially a str based battle cleric. But, now that Intuitive Attack is in, plus Holy Warrior, I see no reason to make a str based cleric. So, I would still use the str gear but give preference to wis gear should I have to. But, wis and str gear typically occupy separate slots. The tough choice is between nat ac and wis gear as they both tend to occupy the neck slot. You can solve this by taking Plant Domain or Forest Master PrC. Incidentally, is this an LDOA toon we are talking about? LDOA has a tougher gear scenario than The Dev modules.
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Post by wettshoes on Mar 3, 2009 21:38:39 GMT -5
K - your AC seems a bit low if you use the + 5 nat ac ammy, Mithril full plate, +6 dex bracers, +4 boots of Hardness, and you are a lvl 20+ caster then with a tower (use the incr stat runes on the tower to get it to +5) you should be able to get AC of 62 with the rodent charm and a tumble of 10. I also tend to use the +6 str belt and add the 2 enhance runes to get it to +10, and Divine rings for extra spell slots. Sometimes i use the wis +6 ammy instead of the nat ac depending on the situation. now . . . add some UMD (+/- the +8 CHA cloak since you will get the +5 deflection ac from buffs) and you can get it to 63 with +5 sun soul boots. As far as a cleric /SL i still use the dex bracers to end up with 16 dex to max out the Mithril plate AC, and push Wis and Str. I also go time/war domain - I'm addicted to haste Oh yeah, Ive thought about Str Domain too but (at least in SP mode) Divine Power isnt persistable . . . unless you changed that? Personally I think you Forest Master PRC is where the money is with the & nat AC you can just use the wis ammy and with armor skin feat be walking around with an AC of 66. Even pre-buff my cleric/FM/fighter AC is in low 50s. Haven't tried a Battle Bard but Shoujo has done a few quite successfully . . . @ NTB: I disagree about a str based cleric - Damage doesn't mean squat if your AB isn't good enough. I typically take all those and make sure to have a high str - then again I am obsessed with high AB so my point of reference may be skewed
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Post by Kaedrin on Mar 3, 2009 22:11:49 GMT -5
That didn't count Tumble and I have no idea what the rat charm adds. I wasn't sure what the dex bracers would be without enhancements (so +6 means it's +1 AC over what I expected).
That's +4 to the 58 I had not counting the rat charm(?).
Cleric is such a flexible class (since it has no class perks past 1) that Stormlord/FM/Cleric is still doable though FM burns 2 feats I didn't need and has skills that do nothing for me (and one of which isn't a class skill).
AB isn't a problem since Intuitive Attack makes up for lesser Strength (a spear is a simple weapon). Strength is close to being a dump stat.
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Post by nicethugbert on Mar 3, 2009 22:18:41 GMT -5
Intuitive Attack adds your wis bonus to AB, instead of str, when using simple weapons. Str will still add to damage. But, with Holy Warrior you can still get a damage boost. So, with Intuitive Attack, you have the same AB as a str based cleric. You will not have the same damage bonus. But, you will have better DCs with which to blast them with. So, I can play a caster cleric, with all the neat domains Kaedrin added, and still have formidable melee to fall back on. Sounds like fun to me.
Yeah, a str based cleric can have 5, maybe more, extra damage points. But, they'll both have the same AB and the caster cleric will have more useful spells to play with. Similarly for Druids, Spirit Shaman, Ranger(Zen Archery), Paladin, and FS. This is also a blessing for Monks. All this goodness from one feat. NEAT!
I gave this to Gann and Kaelyn in MotB. It's good fun.
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Post by Kaedrin on Mar 3, 2009 22:38:56 GMT -5
Druids get huge mileage out of Intuitive Attack with Owl's Insight. I'm pretty sure I coded it up where it works for creature weapons. I *know* unarmed gets the bonus. So low-str forms can be good if your Wis is high.
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Post by cosper123 on Mar 4, 2009 1:32:12 GMT -5
I think it is Zalantar that adds magic to spears not duskwood btw. Yep you're right. Man, good thing I'm not a manual writer
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Post by dordon on Mar 4, 2009 14:31:43 GMT -5
So is Kaedrin going to come play with us?!?!?
As the President would say, NEAT!
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Post by wettshoes on Mar 4, 2009 15:23:17 GMT -5
I wasn't so familiar with Intuitive attack will definitely think about that more . . . I actually try to max out spell slots (22 base wis and 28 with the ammy) even with the above mentioned builds. For a cleric /SL Intuitive attack may be a nice way to go. If i did add that feat would likely be able to get ad additional 2-3 AB ultimately and only lose ~ 5 dmg like NTB said. I guess the DC for spells would be alittle better too. My builds are usually feat staved so i will see if there is a way to fit it in. I think another SL will be in my future . . . the rodent charm adds 1 ac, so K i guess you r asking cause you are gonna start a toon eh? that would be very cool, hope to see ya in-game
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Post by nicethugbert on Mar 4, 2009 16:07:10 GMT -5
Jump right on it, Kaedrin. Gear selection is a no brainer here, especially with a cleric. The gear selection is currently simple. There are some spell slot rings available for levels 3, 4, 5.
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