Typical Cleric gear?

[Loudent2]

"...Might go Strength and lose Haste to persist divine power. .."

Divine power is not persistable.

Unless.....please tell me you didn't change this?

[cosper123]

Yeah persist Divine Power would be too overpowered. And this is coming from someone who has at least 90% of their characters based on cleric.

[Kaedrin]

I didn't change it, just assumed the 2da's let you since it's a level 3 spell. (I checked and you can't do that, I know Reeron DID turn that on).

I won't be playing anytime soon but when 1.23 hits I want to see how it goes so I'll probably be testing a few characters on a few servers. Make sure nothing goofy is going on. I doubt I have time outside of development to play much of anything.

[wettshoes]

Thats too bad K, well if you find more time I hope we will see you playing a bit more than you say . . .

This thread has got me thinking about Intuitive Attack, so here is a question:

Figure if I max Wis take the feat and and pump just Wis can end up with 3 more AB then my typical cleric builds have (assuming i don't use a class like RDD that incr str) but the cost will be 5-6 dmg points due to lower str.

Is the 3 AB worth the 5-6 dmg + using up a feat? What do you all think?

And yes, this 6 of 1 ,1/2 dozen of the otherish but please humor me

[Kaedrin]

I have absolutely no experience fighting creatures on the server to know which is better. The questions were dual purpose: a possible build and to get a benchmark for "ideal" AC/AB. I'll use that to evaluate the Wildshape changes again.

[Beldar]

The answer to your question wett is of course it depends...

If you are fighting an opponent that you don't always hit, then 3 more AB means you hit on 15% more of your rolls. Unless of course you only hit on a 20 even with the 3 additional AB. So, if you are going to hit on 15% more of your rolls the answer is that the AB is probably worth it because you almost certainly do damage that way (I think a truly accurate model of this might require a relatively simple differential equation - empirical Excel tables are generally how I do the analysis). Against low AC opponents the damage gap is less than against higher AC opponents. Since generally we are worried about the difficult monsters, 3 AB is usually worth losing 5-6 damage in my estimation.

The unknown part of your question is the sacrifice of a feat. I think this depends heavily on the feat you were giving up. I would probably keep HiPS over the additional AB, but I doubt that would be the feat you would be sacrificing. You will probably be losing the least powerful feat on your list. If you are ditching power critical, I would say go for it. If you are losing weapon specialization, then you are just changing the damage tradeoff calculation. Losing blindfighting? I would treat that as meaning I occasionally lose a round to casting/drinking restoration spell/potion.

I think the answer ultimately varies based on the player's taste, the build, and the monsters you will be fighting.

[wettshoes]

Well thanks for the quick response K and Beldar. Likely the feat I may have to give up is armor skin or epic prowess . . . don't even have enough for something like power crit or blind fighting. Obviously epic prowess would change the the AB to just 2 but i would have likely gone the armorskin route . . .

@ K
As far as AC goes Its nice to be able to get it above 60 here. That cleric /FM/Ftr I mentioned b4 has an AC of 66 it he cleans up. I also have a FM/RDD build that will eventually have an AC of 70-72 fully buffed (but that may be overkill on AC?).

As far as AB by the time I reach lvl 25 (dont usually go past the lvl 24-26 mark ATM) my "ideal" AB is 50+ maybe low-mid 50s but I know another player got a battle bard to an AB of 61 by ~ lvl 25 i think.

[nicethugbert]

My wampum says Kaedrin gives up TV.

[Kaedrin]

Never going to happen. It soothes the savage beast so I'm not as much of an ass as I could be.