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Post by mammothtruk on Mar 6, 2009 20:30:27 GMT -5
depending on if you need those caster levels for the final build they might not be that important. Then again the WarPriest powers other than the fear aura are just "alright". Still I like the class for some reason. Its got uses.
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Post by wettshoes on Mar 6, 2009 21:13:53 GMT -5
d**n I think we slipped down the slope withthe swiftblade hehe , very true  and my personal Fav - FM - isn't too far behind  So all-in-all (I know i am repeating others prior sentiments) if Lou decides to activate this PRC, I don't think it will make too much of a dent. |
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Post by nicethugbert on Mar 7, 2009 6:16:29 GMT -5
If one more OP class is not so significant because we already have plenty of them then why bother wasting the energy to flip this one on?
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Post by mammothtruk on Mar 7, 2009 11:24:13 GMT -5
um because Warlocks? Options? Whats the point of not having it on?
I think maybe if thats the argument here then we should be saying "If its another OP PRC then why arent we shutting the others off."
Its like someone makes orange juice with 10lbs of oranges and saying man Ive got this last orange, but Im not going to use it Im going to let it rot.
Being it would rot since you arent using the class? Alright maybe thats not as clear to you as it is to me in my head. Hope you get the idea. If we are going to use the 10lb bag why leave one in the bottom?
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Post by nicethugbert on Mar 7, 2009 14:32:38 GMT -5
Exactly the point. Not a single person here has a specific idea why it should be turned on, but, the guy with the actual implemented specific ideas says no. Yet, people want to ignore that. I would rather give Lou the benefit of the doubt and let him keep working on it and work with him in the context of his system. Then, if there is an actual problem, bring it to his attention. Right now, KoT is a solution in search of a problem.
Warlock is not one of them as far as KoT is concerned. Lou relies on Nat AC for the MOBs. So far, Warlocks have no AB problems. If they ever do, we can ask for a solution.
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Post by Beldar on Mar 7, 2009 18:01:45 GMT -5
I thought eldritch glaive created AB problems for warlocks...
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Post by Kaedrin on Mar 7, 2009 18:24:28 GMT -5
No. Glaive is still melee touch.
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Post by jade on Mar 7, 2009 18:56:08 GMT -5
I voted yes becuase I think it will give some PRC options to classes like druids and warlocks
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Post by mammothtruk on Mar 7, 2009 19:39:27 GMT -5
hm... I dont see the line of thought NTB. I dont think any solution is looking for a problem. er... what you said.
Pretty sure if no one is coming up with some super power build off this then it doesnt look to be OP at all. I cant see a real problem with KoT. Its already been limited to divine and invocation. Even going a step further for invocation only seems hugely limiting since I think two people have warlocks above 10? Its also the best option for Dusk/Hex/Adept when they come out. Still missing the problem in the first place.
But the vote talks for itself.
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Post by cosper123 on Mar 7, 2009 22:50:06 GMT -5
Exactly the point. Not a single person here has a specific idea why it should be turned on, but, the guy with the actual implemented specific ideas says no. Actually far more than a single person have given the ultimate reason why it should be turned on...and that is variety. When you've built every possible combination of characters that excite you...more options are appealing. And no Lou wasn't ignored...he stated that he didn't favor it but that he it was not set in stone. That means to me, and many others obviously...that he's open to rational discussion on the issue and can be convinced. He's not putting blinders on, and has outright told us this, so people are making thier case. |
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Post by Beldar on Mar 8, 2009 3:07:27 GMT -5
In my 50+ toons, I have never made a warlock. I don't know if this class would convince me otherwise, but it might help. Full bab + hideous blow? still half the attacks with the constant reapplication.
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Post by nicethugbert on Mar 8, 2009 6:07:01 GMT -5
Exactly the point. Not a single person here has a specific idea why it should be turned on, but, the guy with the actual implemented specific ideas says no. Actually far more than a single person have given the ultimate reason why it should be turned on...and that is variety. When you've built every possible combination of characters that excite you...more options are appealing. And no Lou wasn't ignored...he stated that he didn't favor it but that he it was not set in stone. That means to me, and many others obviously...that he's open to rational discussion on the issue and can be convinced. He's not putting blinders on, and has outright told us this, so people are making thier case. Yeah, the key word which you ignored was: SPECIFIC. Explain how this class will bring variety. Yes, Lou has been ignored. He said KoT has high bab and 10/10 spellcasting progression with no appreciable cost and that he has a problem with that. Then people mention SB. Helloooo, SB does not have 10/10 spellcasting progression. |
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Post by nicethugbert on Mar 8, 2009 6:09:27 GMT -5
Let's try this one more time:
Warlocks have no AB problems on this server.
Warlocks have no AB problems on this server.
Warlocks have no AB problems on this server.
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Post by mammothtruk on Mar 8, 2009 11:52:49 GMT -5
your totally rigth SB only gets 6 caster levels. And 50% concealment, +2d6 damage, +2 AB, +2 AC, +66% move speed increase, cant be dispelled, +2 reflex, a few bonus feats, and all relatively easy requirements. Throw in that practiced caster everyone loves and you keep your caster level. So how do you lose out for this class?
That aside from being a retarded argument about relative power relations.
Warlocks hove no AB problems on this server. Alright I never said they did. I did however say they have a single viable PRC given to use by Kaedrin. Ive said that, from the first time this class got on the maybe list, that I would love to have an armor clad warlock based on melee combat and not just blasting. With the KoT I can see a Warlock, Blackguard, KoT holding out for the Eldritch Fury if that ever sees the light of day. Big two handed meduim armor melee basher with long range blasting backup.
Maybe thats not as inspired as it could be since a longbow could stand in for the EB on the build given enough feats, but then a longbow isnt special at all. And 10 progression for a warlock? Thats um... not as powerful as you think it is. They arent wizards or sorcs here. They dont get massive more uses of powerful spells. They get a few new powers they can use all day long. Thus they arent as powerful as spells.. Look again at the difference between the powers and the spells gained. As for bards/divine they can be cut off if its that much of an issue. I see lots and lots and lots of 9/10 or 10/10 divine classes from OEI so another on the fire wont make much difference for the Battle Cleric. And the Battle Bard is already born of Tempest, Songblade... It will have its day!
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Post by cosper123 on Mar 8, 2009 12:36:03 GMT -5
Yeah, the key word which you ignored was: SPECIFIC. Explain how this class will bring variety. Yes, Lou has been ignored. He said KoT has high bab and 10/10 spellcasting progression with no appreciable cost and that he has a problem with that. Then people mention SB. Helloooo, SB does not have 10/10 spellcasting progression. If you wanted SPECIFIC for the discussion, then you should have asked. Not come in later crying boohoo nobody gave me anything specific. Ask before accusing, and in the future go on and define SPECIFIC if you're going to lean on semantics. The specifics were already given in people wanting options, specifically for warlocks. If you wanted further details then fine, again ask don't accuse like some jilted lover later on. And Lou hasn't been ignored. Your reasoning there is stretched and lacking at best. Btw the new key word of the day, also placed in Italics, Bold, Caps and Underlined is DRAMA |
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and my personal Fav - FM - isn't too far behind 
So all-in-all (I know i am repeating others prior sentiments) if Lou decides to activate this PRC, I don't think it will make too much of a dent.
