Druids &AB, intuitive attack wthout wildshape bld

[jade]

I'm toying with a druid/monk/dragon slayer/x build, which uses dual sickles and intuitive attack but NOT wildshape.

My questions are (and I've never played at druid before at all):

How can do druids normally increase AB? (all means are acceptable)

What is a good 4th class to pick - my current options are probably going to be either hospitaler, lion of talsid, or knight of tierdal. Wildshapes are useful for the toxic gift feat but are not crucial.

Is combat expertise plus deadly defense worth the -3ab for 3 ac and 1d6 damage x2?

[cosper123]

Does sickle count for flurry? Not certain so make sure just in case hehe.

Yeah Hospitaler would be a solid choice with high BAB, decent caster progression, and the bonus feats. Haven't read up on the lion of talsid or the knight of tierdal yet so not sure how they would effect the build.

Combat expertise would be good for AC boost but not really going to be hurting for AC I don't think between the Druid spells and monk adding Wis mod to AC....plus you'll be Dex based if duel wielding and that'll add to AC too. And the monk and druid have low BAB already so that -3 to ab could hurt. Not sure if it's worth it for this build, but others will have additional insight I'm sure.

[jade]

Currently I'm thinking something like this:

Human
Lawful Neutral

For offense: Persistent thorn skin (+1d6 damage), dual extended flame weapon (+1d8 fire), deadly defense (+1d6 damage),

extended storm avatar (+3d6 electrical)

For defense: Owls insight (also for AB), plant body, tortoise shell, etc

STR=8
DEX=17 -> 19
CON=8
INT=14
WIS=17 -> 22
CHA=8

1- Druid, feat: dodge, bonus feat: 2wf
2- Monk, bonus feat: monk AC bonus
3- Druid, feat: iron will
4- Druid, ability point: DEX
5- Druid
6- Druid, feat: intuitive attack
7- Druid
8- Druid, ability point: DEX
9- Hospitaler, feat: extend spell, bonus feat: imp 2wf
10- Dragon Slayer, bonus feat: aura of courage
11- Druid
12- Druid, ability point: WIS, feat: persistent spell
13- Druid
14- Druid
15- Druid, feat: toxic gift
16- Dragon Slayer, ability point: WIS, bonus feat: spell penetration
17- Dragon Slayer, DR/1
18- Dragon Slayer, feat: greater 2wf
19- Dragon Slayer, energy resistance 5
20- Dragon Slayer, ability point: WIS, DR/2, bonus feat: lightening reflexes
21- Dragon Slayer, feat: weapon focus sickle, bonus feat: greater spell penetration
22- Dragon Slayer,
23- Dragon Slayer, feat: combat expertise, DR/3
24- Dragon Slayer, ability point: WIS, bonus feat: luck of heroes, energy resistance 10
25- Hospitaler, feat: deadly defense
26- Hospitaler
27- Hospitaler, feat: epic prowess
28- Hospitaler, bonus feat: , ability point: WIS
29- feat
30-

[wettshoes]

unlike clerics, druids have no spells that incr AB directly. But intuitive attack (espcially with owls insight) should be helpful with this major shortcoming

[cosper123]

I would bother with two weaps without perfect two weapon fighting myself. Others may feel otherwise but if I'm going to give up the extra defense a sheild offers I want the most out of that offhand attack.

[jade]

The monk AC forces me to give up a shield anyway. Perfect 2wf would require so much dex that I might as well go finesse rather than intuitive attack, in which case I'd focus on rapiers and add COW etc etc

And if it was a single 2 handed weapon build it would be spear, and then adding stormlord etc etc

Both of which would be stronger builds but I'm curious to see if a 2wf druid wis based one can work

[cosper123]

Ahh yeah you've got a point there I didn't even consider the monk addition.

[Beldar]

I would be worried about damage some as well. You may very well find yourself barely able to nick certain foes. My Kaze has this problem.

[jade]

What kind of damage output does your kaze have? Just the elemental runes?

[Beldar]

IIRC, the kaze has two +4 kamas each w/ 1d6 acid. She has equipment getting her a STR bonus of +2 and two more damage from adamantine. That is about it, I think.

[guest001]

Mar 6, 2009 0:11:07 GMT -5 jade said:

Currently I'm thinking something like this:

Human
Lawful Neutral

For offense: Persistent thorn skin (+1d6 damage), dual extended flame weapon (+1d8 fire), deadly defense (+1d6 damage),

extended storm avatar (+3d6 electrical)

For defense: Owls insight (also for AB), plant body, tortoise shell, etc

STR=8
DEX=17 -> 19
CON=8
INT=14
WIS=17 -> 22
CHA=8

1- Druid, feat: dodge, bonus feat: 2wf
2- Monk, bonus feat: monk AC bonus
3- Druid, feat: iron will
4- Druid, ability point: DEX
5- Druid
6- Druid, feat: intuitive attack
7- Druid
8- Druid, ability point: DEX
9- Hospitaler, feat: extend spell, bonus feat: imp 2wf
10- Dragon Slayer, bonus feat: aura of courage
11- Druid
12- Druid, ability point: WIS, feat: persistent spell
13- Druid
14- Druid
15- Druid, feat: toxic gift
16- Dragon Slayer, ability point: WIS, bonus feat: spell penetration
17- Dragon Slayer, DR/1
18- Dragon Slayer, feat: greater 2wf
19- Dragon Slayer, energy resistance 5
20- Dragon Slayer, ability point: WIS, DR/2, bonus feat: lightening reflexes
21- Dragon Slayer, feat: weapon focus sickle, bonus feat: greater spell penetration
22- Dragon Slayer,
23- Dragon Slayer, feat: combat expertise, DR/3
24- Dragon Slayer, ability point: WIS, bonus feat: luck of heroes, energy resistance 10
25- Hospitaler, feat: deadly defense
26- Hospitaler
27- Hospitaler, feat: epic prowess
28- Hospitaler, bonus feat: , ability point: WIS
29- feat
30-

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