Help with Kama build

[sonny0815]

Anyone got a good idea for a kama build?

I was thinking of something like the Kaze no Kama build, but Kaedrin's pack offers so much that i am overwhelmed right now.

Also 11 Monk / 19 cleric might work, with holy warrior and persistant divine power, but that sounds a little cheap to me.

[dordon]

You can't persist divine power, even if you have it as a 3rd level domain spell.

Kaze builds are viable on LDoA, but your main issue will be damage, as with all dex-based dual-wield builds here, since you only have 2 elemental runes and many of the higher level mobs have some amount of damage resist.

If you want a true power build, then you'll need abilities like holy warrior or divine might to increase your damage. A monk/cleric with intuitive strike might be a good choice.

[sonny0815]

Thanks for the help.

Thought Lou fixed divine power so it can be made persistant. At least i was told so.

Yep, the rune system does not really support dual wielding, that was the reason i did not play at TWF character up to now. Too bad, i really like the kaze build, but you are right, damage absorbs might be really bad.

What is intuitive strike? Cant find any info about it.

[giant2005]

Intuitive Strike uses Wis modifier instead of Str/Dex for AB.
I wouldn't reccommend it for a Cleric though - you will quickly hit the AB cap and won't get your full bonus.
I cerainly wouldn't reccommend it for a Dual Wielder, the Dex requirements are pretty steep.

[dordon]

Giant raises a good point re: the +20 AB cap and the requirements for pumping 2 stats.

I don't know anyone with a high level strength domain cleric, so I can't say for sure, but I don't think you persist divine power on this server. That said, it's not really a big deal at that level anyways. An extended divine power lasts about 4 minutes by that point. And as a cleric you're going to want all your other short duration buffs as well which are not persistable (recitation, etc.). My level 24 cleric has enough slots for 2 of every extended buff that I want to use, so he can go 8 minutes between resting.

I think a dual-wielding war domain cleric with EDM build would be pretty good. You might need something like RDD in there to meet all the stat pre-reqs. It would be hard to pull of, but I think you could make it with a Yuan-ti that starts with 16str/18dex/8con/8int/10wis/18cha. Bard1/RDD4/Cleric14/Monk11.

[Loudent2]

Divine power cannot be persisted. the only change I made in that respect (since it was just a .2da switch and not a coding fix) was for displacement.

[Beldar]

You'll be looking at an xp penalty unless you pick human, half-elf, or gray orc. My less than full clerics have frustratingly short spell durations. I suspect you'll also find a shortage of feats without fighter in there supplying extras. The extra damage that fighters get from the weapon specialization line is also pretty helpful. I also don't think any deity has kama as a favored weapon, which is a shame because it means that choosing war domain for access to holy warrior will get you a wasted weapon focus.

Assuming human (for an extra feat), you would probably pick your feats something like this:

1 Luck of heroes, weapon finesse
3 TWF
6 TWD
9 ITWF
12 ITWD
15 Practiced Caster (makes a significant difference on durations)
18 GTWF
21 GTWD
23 extend spell
25 persistent spell
27 elective? weapon focus, armor skin, prowess, combat expertise
29 PTWF

For cleric domains, I would probably pick Air (for uncanny dodge) and time (for premonition). War (for holy warrior with your elective feat) is probably not worth it because of the lack of a kama favoring diety.

As you can see, getting the full complement of two weapon fighting and defense feats will eat most of your feats. If you can stomach the xp penalty, you could go with a + dex race and get ptwf sooner.

Also, because your caster level is so low, the dispelling monsters are going to hurt (I have this problem on several of my multi-class clerics). Before the new AI, this wasn't an issue (they didn't dispel), but now I frequently lose buffs. Also, offensive spells are not going to be too great because the save is low.

Throwing fighter or divine champion levels in to get extra feats is an option, but it will hurt your casting.

[nicethugbert]

A dex build without Cow02? No way!

What's so special about Kama's? They suck.

[dordon]

Greater flurry + PTWF = 4 more attacks per round

That said, I don't think kama builds are that great on this server.

[Beldar]

To expand on Dordon's comment, a hasted kama wielder with a bab of 26 (or better) and greater flurry active gets 18 attacks per round. On world's with 15d6 weapons (and I know you play on at least one of those, cause I play there too), the damage you get with such a build exceeds pretty much anything else you can do (which is why you see so many kaze running around there).

My level 20 Kama build did fine here until she ran into skeletons. I guess she struggled with the succubus too (the fight took forever, she was never in any real danger although the new AI could have altered that calculus).

[cytoc]

I don't know how it would go fitting in all the feats and you wouldn't get greater flurry, but I would probably try something along the lines of either:

16 Cleric 2 Monk 2 Fighter 10 Hospitaler (or maybe drop cleric for 2 more fighter levels to get WS)
or
12 Cleric 3 Monk 10 Hospitaler 5 Tempest (I think you may struggle to get enough feats for all of this)

I really do think that on a dex based fighter you want either CoTW (but no good if you're not using rapiers) or Holy Warrior to give you a damage boost. Taking war domain, even though you don't get a free WF in a useful weapon is still worthwhile, because it ends up being 9 bonus damage, which is phenomenal for solely one feat and a domain choice.


One additional question I've never tested... Does turning on flurry (or similarly CE) affect the +20 AB bonus cap, such that if you push your AB bonus up to 22/23-ish you counter being in these modes?

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