[Build] Need advice on my SL

[cosper123]

Howdy, you people all seem to know much more about the finer details of character building so I figured I'd seek help here for finishing off my Stormlord. Heard someone talk about a certain feat being crap in one thread and thought "d**n I think I have that" and so anyhow here is what I have so far and if anyone has any advice on where to go from here I'd appreciate the benifit of your wisdom:

The idea is a duel wielding Stormlord with perfect two weapon fighting.

Currently level 20 and stats are:
Str 14
Dex 22
Con 10
Int 11
Wis 14
Char 8

Intend to finish off at:

Clr(2),Fighter(8),Hospitaler(10),SL(10)

I am currently:

Cleric 2/Fighter 4/Hosptialer 6/Stormlord 8

With feats: LOH, pow crit spear, imp crit spear, imp inititive, two weap fighting, imp two weap fighting, monkey grip, toughtness, two weap defense, weap focus spear, great fort, weap spec spear, prac spellcaster cleric, extend spell, persistent spell

And this is how I plan to finish off so far:

21 Fight 5 Dex Feat
22 Fight 6 (greater two weapon fighting as bonus feat)
23 Fight 7 Dex feat
24 Fight8 (Greater weap focus as bonus feat)
25 Hosp 7 Epic weap focus Spear, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting

26 Hosp 8
27 Hosp 9 feat???, bonus feat???
28 Hosp 10
29 SL9 feat ??
30 SL10

Thought this one out as far as I can and the only feats I can think of that would be of maximum benifit are:
imp two weap defence, Greater Two-Weapon Defense, Oversided Two-Weapon Fighting and Armor skin

[shoujo]

So much build talk today. I love it

Since you're going for a PTWF build, I have to wonder why SL? Reason being with the 25 dex you'll have for PTWF, a CotW will get you better numbers. I'll omit the fighter focus feats from the numbers since both builds can get those.

SL
Damage = 12
3 physical + 4.5 electrical + 4.5 sonic = 12 on a regular hit

AB = 6
3 AB with spear from SL levels - 4 AB for dual wielding spears -2 for monkeygripping + 2 for oversized TWF + 7 AB from 24 STR (14 + 6 strength + 4 strength dual runes)

CotW
Damage = 13
13 from elegant strike

AB = 11
13 AB from 36 DEX (26 base + 6 dex + 4 dex runes) - 4 dual wielding rapiers + 2 oversized TWFing

A cleric 16/fighter 8/CotW 2/Hospitaler 4 will get you the same caster levels (19 + 4 practiced) and BAB.

That said, if you want to go with the dual spear concept, I'd ditch the power crit spear (crap feat) for one of the TWD feats you mention at the end. The AC will come in handy. Everything else you mentioned is pretty essential. Would consider getting epic prowess too. I'd be tempted to go with a dex race even if it means an XP penalty as well, faster PTWF and other goodness.

[cosper123]

I took SL for the extra sonic and elec damage, and crit multiplier. AB is a moot point with Divine Power I thought...and already had to reroll the char because I screwed it up earlier so rebuilding is not an option. So spears to stay, and power crit spear to stay. And at this point, race is certainly nothing I can do about

I basically have three feats to fill up at the end of the build at atm it looks like they're gonna be:

imp two weap defence, Greater Two-Weapon Defense, Oversided Two-Weapon Fighting

[shoujo]

Gah, forgot to include the extra strength damage for a runed strength belt in the SL numbers. SL should have 2 higher damage for the mainhand.

Divine Power helps boost BAB, but it won't change the fact that for a cleric, your build is gonna be behind the curve in the AB department. You might not be able to farm skelly

Dunno, but if remake (as in make a new toon) isn't an option, you could consider taking the build in another direction. Um, maybe redo your last level, pump strength then go strength based from here on out and use your fighter feats for GWF/EWF: Spear? With the +3 AB bonus from an SL, you're the equivalent of a 20 strength cleric basically, so it's not too shabby. Could use your dex and SL goodies to throw axes from range (you'll have the AB to hit) to soften up targets then go spear once critters close to melee.

[cosper123]

k thanks for tips shoujo.

[cosper123]

Oh yeah forgot to ask, why is power crit a crap feat?

[giant2005]

Power crit isn't a bad feat, its just it isn't as good as some you have mentioned. An extra point of AC is far superior to a +4 roll to confirming 5% of your hits.

The problem with your build is your AB is going to be crap. Being Cleric with all those tasty Cleric buffs don't make up for the fact that your primary attribute is only 14.

The build would probably have better AB if it were a Ranger.

[dyndrilliac]

Don't mean to necropost, but I'm new here and I wanted to comment on the SL...

I think dual-wield with an SL is a bad idea as well. I usually pick one of two paths on a new server, and when I go SL, I usually do something like a Favored Soul 16/Fighter 2/Cleric 2/Stormlord 10. The reason being is that if you time your picks right, you can in effect get free bonus feats based on when you pick your level ups. I usually start out as FS, take fighter as my next level for power attack (a prereq for divine might/shield) and heavy armor/tower shield proficiencies, take cleric next for divine shield and undeath/earth domains (extra turning means more uses of divine shield and divine might, and toughness is a prereq for SL), then FS levels till I qualify for SL. Somewhere in there sprinkle in another cleric level when you pick a new feat (lvl 5 or 6 IIRC) and get divine might. Then, you'll be pumping FS and SL till around 28 or 29 when you would take a second fighter level to get cleave/great cleave, or some other utility feat.

You end up with a melee powerhouse that does outrageous damage and has relatively high AC with buffs (50+ fully buffed and with fullplate armor), and the relatively low health for a front-liner can be easily countered with Regen. Plus, you have your two most important stats - str and cha - at 21 or better without sacrificing much except maybe some ranks of epic toughness or epic prowess/armor skin, and the latter two aren't all that impressive anyway.

[dordon]

FYI, Kaedrin has 'fixed' the divine feats so that you can select them on non-divine class levelups if you meet the pre-reqs.

[dyndrilliac]

Yea I know I'm just so used to taking certain levels at certain times out of habit in the OC. You wouldn't need to take that second cleric level, which is awesome, cause that gives me one more I can put into FS

BTW, for those interested, on the build im talking about your looking at like +35 AB, 394 health, and 44 AC fully buffed with Full plate +5, tower shield +5, and spear +5 as the gear and nothing else. Taking out the second cleric level probably wont change those stats much since IIRC the cleric and FS have the same BAB and hit dice mods, but it will up your spells per day.

[Kaedrin]

You should look at using the Shield of Faith and Shield of Warding spells. They will raise your AC further.

[Beldar]

And you'll definitely be wanting more AC...

My personal favorite stormlord build is: 8 cleric, 5 frezerker (supreme cleave and super power attack), 10 SL, 7 WM (4x multiplier on that spear)

She does huge damage, but is vulnerable to dispelling and her spell durations could be better. Still a fun build to play. Feat starved until epic so you better plan ahead though.

[dyndrilliac]

Mar 9, 2009 18:31:50 GMT -5 Kaedrin said:

You should look at using the Shield of Faith and Shield of Warding spells. They will raise your AC further.

I have Shield of Faith, but NWN2 Wiki doesn't have any record of a spell called Shield of Warding, is it CC? If So, what spell lvl is it?

[Kaedrin]

nwn2customcontent.wikidot.com/spells