[PRC] Eldritch Theurge

[mammothtruk]

Gave this some thought and the idea is sound and fairly balanced.

as per PnP

requirements
skill knowledge arcana 8
skill knowledge planes 8
spells ability to cast 2nd level spells
invocations ability to use least invocations
special +2d6 eldritch blast

dual progression invocation/spells

DR progression as per warlock
fiendish resilience progression as per warlock

SpellBlast powers
Eldritch Spellweave powers
Greatreach Blast

A little bit of balancing and work around for this to happen but Nw2 doesnt allow dual progression due to spellbooks. So I would like to propose a new PRC based on the idea.

require 2d6 blast and 2nd level spells

no invocation progression

Spell progression
EB progression
Fiendish Resilience progression

new blast shapes to mimic spell infused blasts as per spellblast and greatreach blast. Added via feats.

Giving arcane progression and EB progression should be doable and increase options for the warlock. Since invocations are "spellbooks" you would lose those. However I think thats a balancing anyway since full arcane/invocation progression along with all warlock powers AND new blast shapes is a little over the top.

[mammothtruk]

Brought to my attention that you should be able to pick divine or arcane and the blast shapes should be dependent on the path you choose. Eldritch Disciple is the divine side of this PRC.

[Kaedrin]

This isn't doable as far as I know. Blast shapes are spells and part of the Warlock spellbook. Feats won't be able to hook the meta magic the same way the warlock spells do because their spells are hard-coded to behave the way they do.

[mammothtruk]

d**n!!!!! I was for sure an almost dual caster could be done for the warlock so they stop being so weak. To bad man. Since you cant limit the spells of the divine/arcane to this class only it cant be done that way... Still even without new invocations spell progression along side EB? still worthy of being looked at. Maybe some feats made to make it betterer.

[nicethugbert]

Eldritch Disciple has medium BAB. Eldritch Theurge has low BAB. I strongly prefer the PnP version.

[nicethugbert]

Is there anything special about the official Warlock that stops it from being replicated by the community?

[mammothtruk]

just the spellbook really...

[mammothtruk]

if domains can add spells to the cleric spellbook that normally arent there cant we use that method to add spells to the warlock spellbook?

[Kaedrin]

No. Domains are very much hardwired into the game engine. There are also a number of problems with the way the domains add spells to spellbooks (their spell level isn't set for concentration/spell resist, etc).

Spellbooks are largely untouchable.

[cosper123]

Does that mean a cleric's domain granted wail of the banshee is guarenteed to fail? Or that its guarenteed to work without fail? Either way troubles me.

[nicethugbert]

cosper123, cleric domains are hardwired to allow adding new domains and modifying domain spell/ability list.

Since Warlock invocations are handled via feats, how possible is it to make a custom after levelup GUI/script to handle the Warlock progression for an Eldricth Theurge/Disciple?