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Post by cosper123 on Dec 13, 2008 1:23:55 GMT -5
I have noticed that in one of the prc prestige classes that it is possible to fulfill a martial weapon requirement with the elf profecency.
Would it be possible to do this with existing classes that require the martial feat such as the Eldritch Knight? Makes sense to me that something named "Eldritch" would be more elf friendly. Heck, for that matter...I wouldn't mind it be a requirement to be elf like arcane archer.
Not sure but that would probably hurt existing characters though unless they could be grandfathered in hehe....so maybe just make it easier for elves by either granting them marital feat to begin with or making it so that their elf weapons feat meets the requirement for EK?
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Post by Beldar on Dec 13, 2008 1:34:46 GMT -5
I already think it is unfair that only elves can be arcane archers  . Nobody else can figure out how to enchant arrows? I suspect that it is more a bug that the elf proficiency satisfies the martial requirement for the prc (  ) in question. There should be a halfling slinger version of arcane archer. And maybe a drow crossbower version as well. Crossbow pretty well blows since it is capped at 3 attacks / round - something should make it more useful. |
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Post by triskavanski on Dec 13, 2008 2:18:03 GMT -5
Nah there is a class that is sort of gish based that elves can satisfy easily. nwn2customcontent.wikidot.com/swiftbladeChances are the pnp swift blade requires a specific set of weapons that bard and elf satisfy. And the thing that is suppose to make them more useful is "Crossbow Sniper" adding your dex damage into your attack rolls. |
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Post by mammothtruk on Dec 13, 2008 10:54:17 GMT -5
Eldritch translates into Magic.... got nothing to do with elves.
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Post by Kaedrin on Dec 13, 2008 11:46:20 GMT -5
www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/prc/20070327"Must be proficient with at least one martial weapon." Since those two get the Longsword and Rapier (a martial weapon) included in their weapon set, they qualify for the prestige class.
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Post by Beldar on Dec 13, 2008 11:55:11 GMT -5
Crossbow sniper makes crossbows "more useful", but they still aren't worth using. Even if you build a character with an adjusted DEX of 40 you only get +15 damage per attack. That is insufficient to make up for losing 4 attacks per round (with elemental damage and +5 arrows on each).
I don't think the swiftblade longsword proficiency requirement is a strong argument for letting elves qualify for other PrCs like EK. EK is pretty powerful - high bab and 9/10 spells. Asking someone to take a single level of fighter to qualify or burning a number of feats otherwise doesn't seem unreasonable.
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Post by cosper123 on Dec 13, 2008 13:01:50 GMT -5
Eldritch translates into Magic.... got nothing to do with elves. Perhaps I was confused by its origin: Main Entry: el·dritch Pronunciation: \ˈel-drich\ Function: adjective Etymology: perhaps from Middle English *elfriche fairyland, from Middle English elf + riche kingdom, from Old English rîce |
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Post by cosper123 on Dec 13, 2008 13:06:43 GMT -5
I don't think the swiftblade longsword proficiency requirement is a strong argument for letting elves qualify for other PrCs like EK. EK is pretty powerful - high bab and 9/10 spells. Asking someone to take a single level of fighter to qualify or burning a number of feats otherwise doesn't seem unreasonable. Sure EK is pretty powerful, but so is Swiftblade. In fact it's a major contested class in a couple of PWs when players are asked their opinions of Kaedrin's mod. So I'd say to that then, make the Swiftblade have to take the martial feat as well. |
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Post by thatruth on Dec 13, 2008 13:46:16 GMT -5
Swiftblade is already harder to open up than EK though. It has the BAB requirement, 2 feats, and 3 if your character isn't a elf or bard.
If martial is added as a requirement, should a swiftblade get the 3 extra spell progression levels the EK gets?
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Post by cosper123 on Dec 13, 2008 14:10:29 GMT -5
Swiftblade is already harder to open up than EK though. It has the BAB requirement, 2 feats, and 3 if your character isn't a elf or bard. If martial is added as a requirement, should a swiftblade get the 3 extra spell progression levels the EK gets? Sure, if you completely and totally ignore all the extra special abilities that a Switftblade gets. |
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Post by mammothtruk on Dec 13, 2008 14:12:36 GMT -5
Eldritch Knight seems fine as is. Knight Phantom is coming soon as you could always look to getting that class instead.
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Post by Kaedrin on Dec 13, 2008 14:20:35 GMT -5
Knight Phantom is pretty much on hold for similar power complaints.
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Post by cosper123 on Dec 13, 2008 15:34:47 GMT -5
Egads!
Ok guess I'll roll up a druid until the other mage prcs are sorted out. I don't want to build my gish and then regret it when something cooler comes about hehe.
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Post by triskavanski on Dec 14, 2008 14:54:12 GMT -5
Knight Phantom is pretty much on hold for similar power complaints. Of course those people complain about everything being too OP. how Crossbow Sniper was going to usher in 1-shotting rangers, ect ect. |
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Post by nicethugbert on Dec 14, 2008 17:29:33 GMT -5
Knight Phantom is pretty much on hold for similar power complaints. Are you kidding me? Isn't there a better approach to just putting it on hold? It's not even a complicated class. It's Phantom Whatevers can't be done be in NWN2, or not very well at least. So, that is a compromise right there. But, can't that get a place holder until it's resolved while we use it for it's basic purpose(which is to extend EK for lack of epic EK levels)? |
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. Nobody else can figure out how to enchant arrows? I suspect that it is more a bug that the elf proficiency satisfies the martial requirement for the prc (
) in question.
