Build> Yuki onna

[triskavanski]

A yuki onna is an ice woman.

So i'm making a frost mage.

First build runs 5 levels sorc, 10 levels frost mage, and 10 level heart warden. The other 5 i do not know what to put though. Either Ek for more BAB or Arcane Scholar of candle keep for more meta-magic fun.

Of course since i'm focusing in cold based spells, I'm going to take winter blast.

[mammothtruk]

I was thinking about a frost mage build using the oh so hated pale master. wizard/frost/pale. I believe that gets you full 20 levels or so of casting, immunities, natural AC(halfplate or so), and some fun powers to play with.

I wouldnt take ASoC because of the transition bug linked to having your hotbar filled with metamagic and it being visible when you transition(I think thats how it was explained to me).

edit:

yeah I see what you mean about the heartwarden and doing sorc instead of wizard! +5 cha from class rocks pretty hard. Might have to come up with a sorc/frost/pale/heart build somehow.

[triskavanski]

yeah pale is one i'm seriously looking at too.

So far i've got Sorc 5/heartwarden 5/ Frost mage 10/ RDD 10
or Sorc 5/heartwarden 5/ Frost mage 10/ pale 10

RDD would give me +8 str, +2 int +5 cha +2 Con and +8 natural AC. As well as immunity to fire and ice. but i could only get my caster level up to 24 if i did that.

Palemaster would give +9 ac, Some summoning, and immunity to criticals and stuff and allow me to have a 29 caster level. Would be even better if K made it closer to PnP

(Practiced spell caster)

Taking feats like Ranged touch attack specialization, winters blast, and other metamagic fun.

Edit:

Well palemaster will be a hard one, since it is a heart warden is a good class, and palemaster is non-good. Unless i find the thing i need to change my alignment

[mammothtruk]

you only REALLY need 7 levels of frost. that last 3 is for caster and +1 AC. I could see cutting that down some to make room for other levels of something else. 6th level frost is a must tho. ignoring immunity and resistance is just vital to the build. The cold immunity comes with fire +50% so that makes me double think it. RDD would fix that for 10 levels but then your sitting 5 sorc/wizard 10 frost 10 dd and only have 5 to play with for your fourth class. then again if you find a good fourth thats only 5 levels? could work out really well.

[triskavanski]

Heart warden is that five level class. After the fifth level you only get 2 more points of Cha. RDD gives that at level 10.

So if you had a human sorc with 18 cha, you get +5 from levels 1-20, then another +5 with RDD/HW which nets you a total of 28 cha just from that. factor in three more cha points from epic levels and you are now looking at 31 cha.

Of course the downside is that you won't have higher magical abilities as you would if you went Palemaster, but there really isn't much to get beyond 20 caster levels expect more ability to over come spell resistance.

[mammothtruk]

witch as a damage caster is a big deal.

[triskavanski]

cept, damage tends to cap off on most spells by level 20.

So.. Polar ray will take a loss of 1d6 points of damage. Ice storm takes 2d6 points of damage loss. Thats the most damage you will lose as far as i can see.


Of course there is also nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Energy_Immunity

To cover the weakness to fire.

[mammothtruk]

spell buffing a weakness is a good plan I just dont want to have to recast all the time to cover my backside since the energy immunity spell doesnt work on the buff rod that I know of.

[triskavanski]

So lets see..

If you don't like buffs, but you want nearly full spellcaster level, Might i intrest you in Sorc 6/Heartwarden 7/frost mage 7 and palemaster 10

[mammothtruk]

I think you can get away with 5sorc/9heart/6frost/10pale gaining that last cha from heart in exchange for the 1 AC from frost. Im not sure the +1 cha is worth the +1 AC but it doesnt lose anything for spell casting. Not totally sure as I would have to think about what the final AC would be. however I think gaining as much cha as possible to go with that +5 or +6 cha cloak on the server would help my DCs.

[triskavanski]

Well going 6 sorc should give you third level spells allowing you to start taking palemaster immediately until you have the diplomacy for heartwarden. HW gives you penetration to get frost mage. So you save a feat.

Could be good with yours though.

[mammothtruk]

saving the feat would be nice...

[giant2005]

If you want DCs, start out as Good until you are done with HW, then go evil and take 3 BG levels. Using those epic feats, their aura is -4 to enemies saves which is more than you are going to get with 3 levels of anything else.

[triskavanski]

three BG levels would need a str of 13, and two more feats to get that, plus the epic feats.

Which trust me, there isn't much more to take from to get that str while keeping 18 cha.

Starting off i had

8 str
14 dex
12 con
12 int
10 wis
18 cha

Taking from the int will make you unable to rapidly progress into FM/HW due to a hard time with skill points.

Con makes you lose HP, which will drop you down to further. Already 5 hp a level is hardly enough.

and Dex... 4 of the cold spells you can cast are range touch attacks. Not to mention its your life line.

But the mention of BG makes me want to make one..

[cytoc]

How about a couple of levels of Paladin, doesn't get you the neg to saves aura that BG gets, but gets you the handy charisma to saves that you want with that much charisma, without costing you any feats. You could then make the rest up with sorc levels and use practiced caster to keep your base caster level as high as possible to bust SR.

Also gives you heavy armour proficiency if you're in the mood to make an armoured caster (but probably not too wise with only 8 str; actually I'd switch the stats to 10 str, 8 wis, unless you're looking at an aasimaar, then ignore that...).


I don't like 10 levels of RDD in a dedicated caster, because you're going to have to rely on non-SR spells to hit anything remotely similar levels with you that has SR and you're gonna either have to take RDD late and not get the full benefit out of the int bonus, take it early and gimp your casting for ages or take it late, rebuild the guy, then take it early (probably the best option).