Melee build advice

[jade]

Fighter 5+/Anointed Knight 5+(or warrior of darkness)/Dwarven Defender 10/??
Must be dwarf, and lawful alignment
Starting CON must be 20

First 5 lvls Fighter, then 5 of AK then 10 of DwD.. but after that I'm not really sure what to take.

The aim is to have CON at 25 at lvl 20, and to take greater resiliency at lvl 12, and the 3 epic DR feats, as well as both epic fast healing feats as soon as possible after hitting 20 = DR/19 and fast healing 6

I'm not sure what else to add - 10 more fighter levels would get the feats fast, as well as extra AB and damage, tho dragon slayer would be kinda fun - more DR, good resists, immunity to fear etc

Anyone have any suggestions?

[cytoc]

I tried out the following build:

5 Fighter, 5 Annointed Knight, 10 DD and 10 CotW

I only got 15/- DR. According to Kaedrin, AK and DD DR are not meant to stack:
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So to be honest, I'd probably drop AK for something else (maybe 8 fighter for EWF to counter the fact that you've pumped con over str) and either 2 levels of Divine Champ for the save bonus + feat (epic DR can be taken here) or something else...

I would consider CotW though, because CotW bonus feats can be spent on attribute bonuses.

[Kaedrin]

AK and WoD are having their SR changed to 10 + Character level instead of 20. So for 3 points less DR you gain a 45% base chance on average to avoid spells (not counting penetration feats, assays, or good rolls).

I'm going to be cleaning up the description of Dragonslayer as it's DR is not meant to stack either. Not sure what I was thinking when I typed it up but I went back and checked the sourcebook.

[jade]

Ah ok. That's good to know about the non-stacking DR in advance.

The other advantage to ditching DwD over AK is that that frees up your race (and alignment - with WoD) choices.

[issacjr]

Slightly off subject What builds DR does stack? For example 2 classes whos DR stack together?

Issac

[cosper123]

Does the armor specialization and the epic DR feats stack with pretty much anything, or are there restrictions there too? For example would the armor spec stack with the adamantine DR, which in turn would stack with the DwD and the epic DR as well?

I have an overwhelming urge to create a DR table just so I can find out what all can stack together

[issacjr]

i was wondering the same thing cosper123, but testing it all in a build mod would be tedious, although i'm game if you are.

Issac

[Kaedrin]

Here's how DR works. It's inviolate.

#1 No class or prestige class stacks with any other class or prestige class. If it does, that's a bug.
#2 Greater Resiliency and the Epic Feats stack with the highest DR/- that you have (no other type of DR).
#3 Item and Feat granted DR/- does not stack with any other kind of DR. This includes Adamantine armor and Armor Specialization.

Bottom line: Greater Resiliency + Epic DR Feats + (Barb OR DwDef OR AK OR WoD OR DrgSlyr)

[shoujo]

Since armor spec isn't class DR, it would stack with GR + EDR + class DR?

I thought greater resiliency could only be taken with barb DR. Did you happen to change that?

Love the AK/WoD change. Makes the PrC worthwhile.

[Kaedrin]

Sorry, meant to cover that. Item/Feat based DR doesn't stack with anything.

Yes, greater resiliency was changed a while back to allow AK/WoD to take it. I'll be adding Dragonslayer in 1.36.1. The feat description already mentions this.

[cosper123]

Awesome thanks K, guess it wouldn't take a table after all lol.

[issacjr]

I wonder how a Dex based Barb would fare maxing his barb DR taking Greater resilience, epic resilience +epic DR then Going Forestmaster for the natural armor and fast healing. But you need 3rd level divine for FM and that cuts your barb or FM levels by 5.

hmm tricky trying to get it all at once

I think having 2 30th level bards with you one singing regen song the other singing ironskin song is the best option

Issac