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Jun 29, 2009 10:35:05 GMT -5
Post by purtellfr on Jun 29, 2009 10:35:05 GMT -5
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New PC
Jun 29, 2009 13:26:08 GMT -5
Post by siegelayer on Jun 29, 2009 13:26:08 GMT -5
Well, I build my own computers but i'm certainly no expert. I got the people at Tomshardware to help me pick out my parts when I did my last one cause things change so fast between builds. I mainly build mine own cause you can save a bit of money and get the things I want. I'm sure the build will suffice and has some powerful stuff there. You'd do better just to read all of the replies there on that build, if you haven't already. And read up on each part. I guess my first question too would be, "Micro ATX?"
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New PC
Jun 29, 2009 15:46:04 GMT -5
Post by mammothtruk on Jun 29, 2009 15:46:04 GMT -5
Intel? really? overpriced Core i7?
Nvidia? really? under preforming 260 SLi?
no I think that computer is overpriced and under preforming. an AMD base computer would be cheaper for the same gaming performance or for the same price better performing.
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New PC
Jun 29, 2009 16:36:32 GMT -5
Post by Beldar on Jun 29, 2009 16:36:32 GMT -5
I would skip the micro atx unless you have some compelling need for a small form factor. I also think you might get some long term heat issues with that build unless you opt for a larger case. Those 260GTX are little space heaters. If you do build this computer, be sure to crank up the fan speeds on them (they default to a low speed - like 20% or something) to keep them from overheating. Sure the noise is annoying, but it beats having to replace melted cards. I am still a little gun shy about multi-card video solutions from either vendor. They tend to be a bit buggy. I would probably substitute a high-horsepower single card solution. The key thing to look at in selecting a video card is what resolution you intend to run. If you are running at 1680x1050 you don't need so much video card. If you don't mind a multi-card solution, I would recommend two AMD 4770 in crossfire. That configuration will be CPU limited for most games and will be cheaper than 260 SLI. Here is an article: www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-4770-crossfire,2288.html For picking a video card, you probably are best off following the advice in this regular column on Tom's: www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-price,2323.html That column consistently gives a good snapshot of the market and where the sweet spots are. The June 2009 version does say that the GTX 260 SLI configuration is a relatively good deal at its price point. The i7 920 is not priced poorly for its performance. However, it does tend to cause other higher system costs (i7 motherboards tend to cost more mbs for other processors). You won't be unhappy with the performance, but you could probably save some money and get acceptable performance. If you are looking to save money, you could go with a Core 2 Duo E8400 which is a great overclocker and is only around $167. Another good choice would be a AMD Phenom II X4 940 for around $190. Both of these would also have lower system costs as well. In many respects, multiple cores are kind of a waste - much of the software written today does not take advantage of them. Consequently, I would not worry about the fact that the E8400 only has 2 cores. The computer in the link you posted is way over anything nwn2 needs at the resolutions I have tried. We could probably give you better advice if we had some sense of what else you play or want to play and what your monitor resolution is. If NWN2 is the most demanding game you play, I would recommend saving some money. Let us know what you decide to do. I am always curious to see what people build.
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New PC
Jun 29, 2009 18:19:26 GMT -5
Post by purtellfr on Jun 29, 2009 18:19:26 GMT -5
The PC I'm using right now is a Dell Dimension 2400.
Really Old.
I want something fast so I'll be able to keep it for a while.
I only play NWN2 with you guys and waiting for DDO to go to free to play.
I spent years playing low quality, now time to go full blast.
If you can give me something better, feel free to tell me. I will buy my new PC soon and Tom's advise is great but ours ( players ) is better. Love the video card you suggested. That will be the first change to it.
Don't care for either AMD or Intel. AMD Phenom II as been suggested a few times also.
Give me a list with prices and I'll go from there.
Need something that will be easy to Overclock.
P.S. My monitor for now is at 1680x1050 but intend to change for better and bigger. Going from 22 to 27.
Thanks All
Edit: Do you guys play wireless or are you wired.
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New PC
Jun 29, 2009 18:26:39 GMT -5
Post by nicethugbert on Jun 29, 2009 18:26:39 GMT -5
Tom's Hardware FTW!
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New PC
Jun 29, 2009 18:43:00 GMT -5
Post by siegelayer on Jun 29, 2009 18:43:00 GMT -5
I vouch for the 4770 if you want a powerful card for cheap. Unless you have money laying around to spend. And whatever you get will blow your mind compared to that Celeron with 512 ram. I have a wireless router but that's just to split my internet and for my laptop. My two desktops are wired to the router.
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New PC
Jun 29, 2009 19:57:07 GMT -5
Post by purtellfr on Jun 29, 2009 19:57:07 GMT -5
@siege Didn't you just have a set-up with those video cards not too long ago. Just needed a MB with PCI-E 2.0 How much was it and for what?? Thanks
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New PC
Jun 29, 2009 21:46:19 GMT -5
Post by purtellfr on Jun 29, 2009 21:46:19 GMT -5
So far, I got this: Computer Case - 104.99 Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case MoBo - 205.49 GIGABYTE GA-MA790FXT-UD5P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard VCards - 133.99*2 POWERCOLOR AX4770 512MD5-M Radeon HD 4770 512MB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card Memory - 74.99*2 for 8 Gb G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ CPU - 296.00 AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX PSU - 109.99 PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply HD - 79.99 Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM Optical - 84.99 LITE-ON Black 4X Blu-ray DVD ROM SATA Model DH-4O1S-08 - Retail Total - 1298.41 CAD That is it... Comments
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New PC
Jun 29, 2009 22:43:02 GMT -5
Post by siegelayer on Jun 29, 2009 22:43:02 GMT -5
I just bought a (one. only one) Sapphire HD4770, yes. my mobo is only pci-express 1.0, yes. It runs NWN2 with almost everything turned on @ 1680x1050 res and 12x edge detect AA and 8x anisotropic at decent FPS. To clarify, the 2.0 cards work on 1.0 slots. I do have a crossfire mobo but don't really need 2 cards. If you have the system for it, one of those 4770's has a potential 52 gig per second bandwidth lol. I have a dual core intel 2.3 gig and 2gigs of ddr2 800 G.skill ram. Why do you need 8gigs of ram? Seriously, I never understood why people buy so much. I've never used more than a gig. I also use Win XP though. I certainly can't see needing more than 4gigs. So, I can vouch that the graphics card, make and model, and the ram is a good deal for good performance. Looks like some decent pics to me at a decent price. Wonder how the stock fan is. I'm running a stock fan on mine just fine. Another factor is energy consumption and heat generation. That CPU uses twice as much power as mine. Granted it's much faster but that's something to consider, as well. Yeah, if they make a ddr3 that would be nice. If you are planning to get all future proofed. Get an HDMI ready monitor and the card has HDMI on it too. Guess I need some faster ram, myself. A million edits Actually i'm playing @ 16x anisotropic and 12xaa. Also, nothing in mine is overclocked either.
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New PC
Jun 30, 2009 1:29:39 GMT -5
Post by mammothtruk on Jun 30, 2009 1:29:39 GMT -5
running Vista X64 and I run 4gb of memory. I would suggest if you needed to cut cost that 4gb would work just fine. However I will upgrade to 8gb in the future just because... I dont really know. I just want more I suppose. 4770 is a great and powerful little gamer card. well worth the money and easy to OC. motherboard you have picked out in that list is solid. Gigabyte is on top of the motherboard world right now. Shouldnt cause any issues. cpu on the list like all CPUs is solid. 3.2 black edition will OC well. but I dont see a great deal of difference in most games. Only bleeding edge will see that much of an increase, but then 3%-10% across the board doesnt wow me anymore. Im getting old and hardware is just that good anymore. DDR3 ftw Gskill is solid. I run that and Patriot in the two PCs. Power supply is solid. have friends that run them and only know of one person that blew one up, but hes blown up the last like 5 of different brands. pretty sure its something hes doing. All in all cheaper and will get the job your looking for done with flying colors. HUGE upgrade from what your running now. And you can pop in another 4770 down the line if you want. Id say research the intel alternative to compare price levels and take the cheaper of the two, but Im pretty sure you will be happier with AMD solution on price. Intel is top dog on performance and the prices reflect that. AM3 CPUs are hot on their heels at a much better price. Look around and you can find the 3.0Ghz CPU for a pretty big dip from the 3.2Ghz CPU as well. If you have the dollars get the computer and thank me later
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New PC
Jun 30, 2009 11:56:17 GMT -5
Post by Beldar on Jun 30, 2009 11:56:17 GMT -5
Looks like a good build. You could make some trade-offs, but at some point you just have to commit otherwise you'll go crazy. Also, don't look at computer ads for about a year after you buy stuff. It will just drive you nuts (or at least it does me).
Good luck - I am sure the new machine will rock.
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New PC
Jun 30, 2009 12:06:58 GMT -5
Post by purtellfr on Jun 30, 2009 12:06:58 GMT -5
Thanks all for the help.
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New PC
Jul 1, 2009 14:08:23 GMT -5
Post by siegelayer on Jul 1, 2009 14:08:23 GMT -5
Yeah, it's going to blow your mind. lol
Also, are you building this yourself?
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New PC
Jul 1, 2009 14:15:09 GMT -5
Post by purtellfr on Jul 1, 2009 14:15:09 GMT -5
I guess, it shouldn't be too hard!
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